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March 11, 2020

Luke Blue Eagle Talks About Happiness

Blue Eagle has been a lifetime practitioner of native spiritual traditions. He has spent the past 25 years intensively studying and practicing the healing arts and spiritual traditions.


Luke Blue Eagle

Conversation with Luke Blue Eagle.  Luke Blue Eagle is a writer, composer, music therapist, a life time practitioner of native American spirituality and a creator of innovative wellness products including a collection of perfumes using essential oils . More info about Luke Blue Eagle

I have been looking forward to sharing my latest Happiness Habits conversation with you.

Luke Blue Eagle is a friend and teacher who has positively influenced my life since we met in 2014. Through his guidance and the application of his teachings I have felt improvements in my well-being along with a greater ability to connect with the forces of nature to live with a sense of deeper peace in my heart and harmony in my life.

You will find a ton of timeless wisdom here. You may want to refer back to various segments of this conversation a few times to digest what he has to say and to contemplate how you may integrate some insights into your own life.

Blue Eagle has been a lifetime practitioner of native spiritual traditions. He has spent the past 25 years intensively studying and practicing the healing arts and spiritual traditions. Through his books, blogs, music and workshops he transmits philosophies, health practices and urgent messages to care for our environment.

He has a direct approach in transmitting what he has gathered and synthesized from different spiritual traditions and philosophies over a lifetime from his teachers, elders, shamans and native American nations.

Luke Blue Eagle provides accessible tools and teachings to assist us all to live in greater harmony with others and the planet.

Enjoy and Be Well.

Blue Eagle's Nuggets of Wisdom

  • 4:35 Get centered, create intention, Ancestor’s chant
  • 8:55 Luke Blue Eagle's Happiness definition
  • 10:09 How to deal with stuck or uncomfortable emotions
  • 13:03 How to align with you mission to create and manifest
  • 15:18 Impermanence and attachment
  • 17:55 Our inner spiritual guide
  • 19:12 Why we need to learn to do nothing
  • 22:10 The three aspects to spiritual practice
  • 26:45 Seven principles to care for your health
  • 28:58 Benefits of moving our body and looking at the sun
  • 29:56 Two things your doctor won’t tell you
  • 31:54 The essentials to happiness
  • 34:50 Blue Eagle’s wellness rituals
  • 36:52 The practice of disciplining the mind
  • 37:58 Dealing with anger
  • 40:51 Examples to relate to the earth everyday
  • 48:39 Courage to be spiritual in a destructive world
  • 51:20 How can we create more happiness in our families, communities and the world?
  • 54:00 Bring balance back to nature now
  • 56:11 Is science promoting death?
  • 1:01:02 Reconnect to the wonders of life
  • 1:01:53 The power of shamanic perfumes and essential oils
Luke Blue Eagle in the forest

Transcription of Luke Blue Eagle's Conversation with Laura

Laura : (00:04)
Hello and welcome to happiness habits from the heart where you will find conversations with people who live from the heart and choose happiness and wellness practices as a way of being. I'm Laura Wharf and I am honored to be here today with my friend Luke blue Eagle and he'll be sharing his perspective on happiness and wellness and how he cultivates these things in his own life. So Luke, I'm blue Eagle. I'm so honored to have you here on with this conversation today. Welcome, welcome. And if you allow me a few moments just to introduce you so people can get to know a little bit about your background and your history and what perspective you'll be offering us today on happiness and wellness. So, um, you are a writer, a composer, a music therapist, and you also are a creator of innovative wellness products including a collection of perfumes that, um, use essential oils.

Laura : (01:09)
And I have to say those are some of my favorites. So we can talk a little bit about that later. And, um, you have been a lifetime practitioner really about native spiritual traditions. You've spent 25 years intensively studying with the healing arts and spiritual traditions shot by elders and shamans and several, I think native American nations and philosophies in Canada and across the United States. Um, among many of the things that I respect about you is that you really have a deep curiosity and a dedication towards lifelong learning. You've studied from some of the world's greatest authors as well in a lot of different philosophies, which really brings a unique approach to the teachings that you bring to the table and what you've offered to your clients and your teams and, uh, your, uh, your practitioners as well. Um, you have really a unique ability, I think to shape and to synthesize a lot of these teachings that you've gathered from different spiritual traditions from all over the world and different philosophies to make it accessible and available to us and to the world and how we are today.

Laura : (02:25)
Cause you know, I think the way that we're learning today possibly is very different than what it was a hundred years ago. So you're able to synthesize a lot of that I think really, really well. And one last thing that I want to mention. Um, one of the things I think that I've been drawn to as one of your students is your universal approach. And what I love about this universal approach is that it's taught you teach about the forces of nature and universal forces of nature and how that's so important to be in tune with that. And what that's taught me in spending more time outdoors and doing these practices that I've learned you, is that it's nice to be more in touch with my own inner source and my own true nature and what that really means. And I know when I take the time to get still and to go into my center that I just, I'm able to tap in to this deeper inner source of peace and natural joy and it helps guide my decision making through my life.

Laura : (03:24)
And, uh, I'd love for you to be able to share some of these, uh, your philosophy and your teachings with our listeners and our viewers today because this sense of, of peace and wellbeing and joy really is our own true nature and our natural state. And it's, it's our stressors and, um, you know, our daily life sometimes in our confrontations and challenges that can take us out of that natural state yet with certain tips and techniques and practices. And you've not only studied, but you've deeply done these practices as a lifelong, uh, practitioner and learner. And I think that that's really where the true power lies. Um, and that's what I'd really be able to like to share with our listeners today. So I can't wait to impart some of this knowledge. I know that we could easily spend a day here together in this conversation. So we'll get started right away. I think that maybe to open this conversation, we can begin with the ancestors tent. This is how you begin a lot of your ceremonies and a lot of your meditations and, uh, your day, I'm sure as well. This is part of your personal ritual. Would you like to share the ancestor chance to start this conversation here today?

Blue Eagle: (04:35)
Yeah, sure. And I would invite the listeners to a center and, um, offer something, maybe a short prayer or, uh, take a, make a vow to pick a walk or any, anything just to, you know, it's one of the principles of the universe in which we live to be able to receive. We have to give. And so normally when we do this ceremony that begins, as Laura said, every one of my teachings, I do some offerings, smoke offerings, and there's stuff given also to that. And, um, we won't be doing that here. Uh, but we still will be offering something everybody. And if you want to join in with the singing, it's not called the ancestors chant by chance. It's there to call your ancestors so that they can come in and help you integrate whatever it is that you're doing at this time. And I think the teachings, uh, since I've had the chance to start very young and I've never stopped, uh, have some deepness to it might be useful to some people. So, uh, that's just a vibrate with this, uh, chanting with the sacred dumb. Yeah.

Laura : (08:26)
Hmm. Thank you. Ah, so let's dive into, I feel like just bathing kind of in that energy for a little while, but let's dive into the conversation with the, our first question, um, is how would you define happiness from your own perspective? Well,

Blue Eagle: (08:56)
I think you already mentioned that, that, that it's our true state. It's the way we really are, as long as we depends on what definition we give to happiness also. But when we generally speak of happiness with speaking about an emotional state, and we, I've understood it after my years of study and I haven't seen this somewhere else. It just seems that what everything I've pondered on it has brought me to the conclusion that our emotional body is fundamentally made of peace, a joy and love. This is our basic emotional, uh, steady foundation. And they're not actually emotions. They're sentiments. I mean, they're, they're always there. That's the foundation. I compare that to the ocean. You know, on the top there are waves. Those are your emotions. You know, your emotional body underneath it's very stable. It doesn't move. It's your sentiments. It's the peace, the love and the joy that is always there as things in our life, common influence that, uh, they will reveal other aspects of that emotion.

Blue Eagle: (10:09)
If we, for example, have a, somebody we love a lot, uh, um, betray us, uh, we might feel hate, which is actually a form of love. It's the negation of love. It's underneath. There's always love and all negative emotions. If you let them flow, they will review joy, peace and love beneath it. But the thing about our modern world is that we don't express our emotions well. You can't come into your workplace and start crying, go to your bosses have been having a hard time and start to crying on his shoulder. He, it doesn't work. You know, and the same thing even for the children in school, they can't do that with the teacher. You know, they, they're not allowed really to express their emotions. So they learned very young to repress this. And that's where the things get stuck. I mean, uh, you can't, emotions are like water.

Blue Eagle: (11:07)
They need to flow. When they flow, they will reveal something else. They will change because, um, water will always adapt whatever form it's put into. If it's a glass, if it's a, a notion, if it's a, a vase, if it's a river, it's always takes the shape of whatever it's in, but it always remains water. And the same is true with our emotions. Uh, there always joy, peace and love and just that as the flow through things, they change. But if they get stuck, they'll become stagnant and they won't reveal. If you keep your emotions hidden away, uh, if you don't express them, if you don't have a way to talk to somebody, a real confident, that will not give you any advice. But we'll just listen. Because if you're giving, getting advice means that he doesn't really want to listen. He wants to change what he's hearing.

Blue Eagle: (12:03)
He doesn't want you to remain where you are unless you're asking for it, which changes the stuff. But what we have all our inner wisdom, so we don't need the other to react. What we need is to be able to express it. That will reveal our inner wisdom, that will reveal, that will get us a little bit farther away from our emotions so they can see what's happening underneath. And that's when, you know, we'll get the lesson of whatever is happening to us. And so, um, the state of joy, peace, love, when it's stable, that's what I call happiness. And it will never remain completely stable all the time. That's impossible because we're here to learn the, this body we're carrying on this planet. It's a school and it's as we evolve through lifetime, through lifetime and lifetime, we are learning to perfect ourselves more and more until we don't need to incarnate here anymore.

2: (13:03)
But we move on to other realms of manifestation and creation as that's our true mission. And, um, so, uh, we would not be able to evolve if everything was always a splendidly wonderful. We would, uh, we would not move very much. You know, that's the typical is when you get very powerful, uh, challenges and, uh, diseases or whatever in your life or suffering or whatever. That's probably the time we evolve the most way we learn the most. And, uh, um, there's actually people who choose to come to life's of suffering, you know, incurable diseases with lots of pain, lifetime after lifetime because they move really fast through their evolution. Most people don't do that or there are souls who choose to do that. So, um, happiness is, you know, it's always there, whatever situation you're in because the, those basic sentiments are always there underneath.

Blue Eagle: (14:12)
Uh, and it's how you work with, um, with whatever is happening to you and learning to share what you're experiencing and learning to move with it. You know, like let's take a, a, one of the worst emotions, the one that paralyzes us, the worst is fear. Um, if we really do paralyze, we will avoid the fear and that fear will remain. You know, fear is a coward if you're will always follow you, like your shadow as long as you're running away from it. But the moment you turned around to face it, it'll flea because it's a coward. You know, as soon as you look at your fear attentively, then you'll be able to dissolve it. You have to move into it rather than away from it. So it's always a, the questionnaire is always being able to, um, uh, move, always being moving, always be, uh, nothing is static in life.

Blue Eagle: (15:18)
That's, that's what's the main characteristic of our lives is it's always changing. There's nothing stable, there's nothing permanent. And that's why we shouldn't get too attached to anything. But we knew we were, do we need attachment as far as, uh, human beings are concerned because that's eternal. But otherwise everything else is transitory is temporary. It's impermanent. And, uh, so if we get too attached to circumstances, then we get too comfortable, then we're not evolving anymore. A wise person will always, uh, accompany that change and try to, to move with things as much as possible so that they evolve. Because when you're evolving, you're also creating, you're creating a life circumstances that will help you to, uh, go into higher and higher vibrational levels. And the higher your goal, the more ecstatic, the more blissful you become. Uh, and uh, at some point there's not much that can touch you depending. And when you get to a certain state, well you don't even need this kind of school anymore, you go on to more, uh, ethereal and, uh, non-physical schools.

Laura : (16:36)
So you've mentioned then that we haven't been encouraged in our younger lives to express our emotions and then we grow up into adults of carrying these fears that we flee from. And sometimes we as human beings with all kinds of different behaviors, whether that's addictive behaviors you've talked about before of it could be drugs, alcohol, sex, shopping, overdoing, anything and excess. So then what would you suggest, because you know, you had this great wisdom within your own practices of being able to navigate through some of these big challenges in life. But most people don't have those kind of tools initially either. As you know, a young child, we need to be shown. So we need an external guide or a teacher, as you say, to speak to and to talk to and to be heard. To coach us. And guide us along the way before we can learn to do that for ourselves. Would you agree? So how then, what would be some of your wellness rituals when we are confronted with these deep emotions or with fears? What would be that first step to take, to navigate, you know, is it finding, you know, an elder, a wisdom leader, a teacher to be able to learn

Speaker 5: (17:49)
needs, fits into their needs as useful well do in your life?

Blue Eagle: (17:53)
If we can let that is of course very, very useful. Uh, today is most difficult to find that because we don't have any, um, uh, traditions in which we can, you know, base ourselves in, uh, in our lives. The, um, the main religions have lost their way long time ago and Aboriginal indigenous communities have been destroyed all over the place too. Uh, because naturally in an indigenous society or community, you have elders that are honored and this honoring makes it possible for them to share the wisdom they've acquired, uh, during their lifetime. So today we don't always have that available, but there is, um, a wise spiritual guide always with us. We always have help, although it's not on a physical level. And that's what we need to access when we don't have outside help. And that is fairly simple. Um, because it's always there.

Blue Eagle: (19:12)
The only thing we need to do to be able to access that is nothing. We need to learn to sit doing nothing. We need to learn to just, and I think meditation has been a bit, you know, carried away and know people. They don't really know what that means anymore because there are so many different techniques and sometimes we get caught up in the technique rather than where the technique is supposed to bring us. The technique is only a tool. The goal is not the technique. The goal is the state where you are receptive, where you're open, where you're listening to, what's happening. Uh, because many times, um, you won't access the energy of that spiritual guide directly because you don't have enough, um, uh, perception. Your, your, uh, uh, your organs of subtle perception have not been sufficiently developed. So that guide will speak to you in your heart.

Blue Eagle: (20:16)
You know, he'll goes straight into you and he'll implant that thought in your mind. And, uh, and so if you're listening to what's happening within, you'll get that message and you'll, you'll know what to do without having to really access, you know, uh, any, uh, spiritual experience per se. You will find it within yourself. And so we always got, we always have that help. It's always available. What we don't have is the, um, um, habit or not habit is not a right word here at the, uh, instinct or the, um, I, I'm not finding the right word. It would be the tendency to know that we need to stop, that we need to sit down and do nothing. That we need spiritual practice. We need spiritual practice. And the, the thing about it is that many times we mistake spiritual practice, uh, as a goal in itself.

Blue Eagle: (21:19)
The spiritual practice is there to bring you somewhere. So all of them are good. Uh, you know, as long as we don't become attached to them per se, as long as they remain a tool for us to evolve, then they're useful. And when we've outgrown one, when we can go into another one. You know, that's what, that's what we need to understand because a lot of people get caught up while they have to go to mass every weekend. They have to do this their whole life. And that's the only thing they're going to do. You know, it's not, the goal is not the mass, the goal, the goal is what you feel when you're there. Cause that can be a good place to, you know, all the religions are good practices. It's just they become sectarian about their practicing. That's the goal of it. And that will bring you to heaven.

Blue Eagle: (22:10)
Well, no, it's what's bringing you to heaven is the evolution of your own soul. And that the best you've got to find the tools that are appropriate to you. The one thing to know is that spiritual practice would always be three things. There's three aspects to spiritual practice. Uh, the first one being that we need to give thanks. Like I spoke when he began about offering, uh, if you make offerings, if you, uh, say a prayer in the morning to say thank you for being alive while you're nourishing the universe, because the, that's an energy vibration. When you're thankful it's a positive energy and it vibrates out, especially if you're giving offering or if you're, uh, giving a testimonial in some physical way with a chant or a dance or something to, uh, bear witness to your gratefulness in the physical. We've got a physical body.

Blue Eagle: (23:05)
We've got to do this physically. Um, then you're sending out a very positive vibration and that will come back to you, that awakens what we call the cycle of reciprocity that makes magic happen in your life, that creates the conditions, uh, to bring to you what you need. And, uh, we call this prayer, but, uh, there's a, there's a mistake in the word sometimes the way people understand that prayer is not asking something. Prayer is giving thanks. If you're giving thanks, then you're moving forward with everything in your life. And that also creates healthy conditions. No, because it creates joy. You can't say, Oh, I'm thankful, thank you to the universe and then feel sad. You know, it's, you're, even if you're, you know, I usually always thank first for all the bad things that are happening to me because I know that's my learning edge.

Blue Eagle: (24:04)
It's not happening. You know, I've chosen this to, to evolve. So I'm always giving thanks for that first and then I'll give thanks for the pleasant stuff, you know? And uh, so, uh, if you do that well then you'll accept that you'll accept what's happening and then you can grow and you can move through it. If you're refusing it and pushing it away, then you, you can't move forward, you know, because you're not going into what's happening. And uh, so that's the first thing you have to learn to give thanks daily. The second thing is, and if you can give offerings that even better or whatever, offering you, you know, whatever tradition you you're comfortable with. And a second part while you've been talking
to the university, next thing you need to is listen to the universe. And that we already spoke of is sitting down at least once a day doing nothing.

Blue Eagle: (24:52)
Just reflecting, feeling, being open, and trying to be still. Uh, and you know, that's, that's something we need to do every day. And if you look at the animals, you'll see that they do that all the time. You know, there are always moments where they're not doing anything, but they're very awake and aware. They're always looking all around, making very careful of everything that's happening around them. And this is a practice of mindfulness and that, that we need to practice mindfulness. And, uh, then the third aspect, uh, is well, you have to take care of your body. You have to take care of the vehicle of your soul, because that's the one that's carrying through you through life. It's the most precious thing you have and you have to take care of it. And, uh, so that's, you know, if you look at, um, the tau is the spiritual tradition, you'll see that they begin with that.

Blue Eagle: (25:48)
They'll have the young ones to practice martial arts for years until the, you know, the, there are very, very, very powerful physical machine. And then they go into sutras and prayers and meditation. No, when the body is able to sit for hours and hours and hours and, you know, it's, it's, it's something we need to take care of. And that's another place where we're having a lot of problems today because we've put our health back into the hands of an established and mint that's making a lot of money on our diseases. And, uh, we're listening. As soon as we're, uh, the least bit sick, we're going to the doctors and the doctors. I mean, they've spent seven years studying, uh, medicine. They don't have any course in those seven years that talks about food. So that tells us real right away that they're not involved with our health at all.

Blue Eagle: (26:44)
They're involved with our diseases because a, then they get medication or, or, or, uh, any kind of invasive, um, treatment that makes them money. And, uh, the, that's a real Maffia today. And, uh, actually the doctor's not aware of this often. They'd want to help. It's the pharmaceuticals that are behind all this mafia. And so like a Brian Clement of the Hippocratic, he's a health Institute. He calls them the evil empire. Uh, I find that very colorful. And uh, so there's, when there's seven basic principles, when you want to take care of your health, first you have to have healthy food. And healthy food is, you know, pure food that shouldn't be transformed. It should be, you know, vegetables, uh, you know, and uh, not processed foods and not to gender clean modified foods and organic foods. And as much as possible vegetarian foods because our system is not organized to, if you look at our teeth, if you look at a digestive system, it's not made for animal proteins.

Blue Eagle: (27:56)
Of course, up in the North countries, we've got systems that can adapt fairly well to, to animal proteins. But, uh, we all notice as soon as we start eating the plant based, um, diet that our health will improve and then you need pure water and that's not tap water. That gets a bit complicated. You need today because in latter days we could, uh, think out of every stream, every Lake, uh, and we would have good water. It's just not the case today. And so we need to purify the water that's coming in and, uh, pure air, we need to breathe. We need to walk outside every day because the air in our house is always worse than air. That you will find even in the center of a city outside is better air than in any house. You know, unless you've got purifying air systems in the house and then you need physical exercise, it really have to get moving.

Blue Eagle: (28:58)
You have to get this body moving. And if you're going into a advanced spiritual practice, you'll see there's always, as in yoga, stretching and breathing exercises, these are very important. And then you need sunshine. We need to get out there and put ourselves in the sun. That's very important for our health. And you do gather in sunshine through the eyes. And so if you were in the North countries where there's not a lot of the sunshine will, if you get up and look at the sun as it's coming up, because you can look directly at the sun when it's coming up or when it's going down, then you're gathering some of that sunlight. And that's very important. We need that energy. And sometimes we have to take it in through the food. Like in the North countries, they'll take it in. There are places where there is no sunshine for nearly three to six months there will they take it in through the fat of the animals, but it's still sunshine.

Blue Eagle: (29:56)
And so, um, and then, um, rest you need to sleep at least eight hours a night. That's very important. Uh, some people can do with seven hours, some people need nine. But if you're doing less than seven, something's happening with your health and you'll, you'll suffer from it one day or another. And then, uh, the last thing is a passion for life. You have to have a goal in life. You have to have something that you love doing. So these are basic principles. This is a very basic principles. I mentioned them today because the doctors are not going to tell you these things. They're not going to speak about this. They're going to look at your disease and give you a medication so you're not improving your health if you're not looking at all these things. And of course, then you can go to all the alternative health methods that are very elaborative.

Blue Eagle: (30:50)
They've got a lot of tools to work with, incredible tools to work with. And um, and we do need to use these because the general environment is degrading at a very rapid pace. There's a lot of pollution everywhere. You can't avoid it anymore. And so the body is deeply affected. Uh, it's affected also by electromagnetic maneuver pollution also. Uh, so we do need to look into alternative health methods when we're, uh, interested in our spiritual evolution. So those are the three aspects of a spiritual practice is taking care of the vehicle, doing the sitting with the, just looking at who you are and what you're feeling, being open to, you know, uh, there's no real words for meditation that really can capture what it really is because it's beyond thought and what the words express our thoughts that this is going beyond thoughts. So it's very difficult to really speak in a good way about meditation.

Blue Eagle: (31:54)
But that's why I say what you need to do is sit down twice a day doing nothing that's basic. And then there's prayer and doing offerings. So that spiritual practice, and I think that's the best way that we're going to tap in to happiness because that brings us to what's essential in life. Because that's eternal. What you're doing for your spiritual evolution will always remain with you. That's always there. That every single step you take, uh, spiritually, that's the best thing you can do because that's what you're here to do. So that's what remains when you lose the body. That's the only thing that's left is what you did to make your soul advance in the light.

Laura : (32:39)
Yeah. Wow. There's such a wealth of knowledge that you're sharing there. And I think I like these saying that when the student is ready, the teacher appears, excuse me. And there are so many resources available to us out there as you know, having been a student in these health and wellness practices for a lifetime, and I think we're starting to see a shift too. So if somebody does have an issue with their nutrition, there are wonderful dieticians and they're holistic nutritionist and there are natural paths. And I think even a lot of the doctors, at least the people that I've had the opportunity to work with, or even some doctors now that are moving into that holistic approach to counseling their, their clients, uh, from that perspective or referring out because each person has their expertise. And I think that shows a lot of wisdom and humility when all of us as practitioners, if it's not our expertise, we can say, Hey, you know what?

Laura : (33:33)
Go and see this coach or you know, you as a guide. Also, people can connect with you later if they want to have more information on this or if they want nutrition depending on what area they're in, we can refer them out. But I think it's learning. I think people have to take responsibility for their wellbeing, um, and reach out for help that specialist with anything, whether it's exercise for their body or nutrition or a spiritual teachings. I mean all of this is abundantly accessible now in our world. So these, these components, these seven components in the three things that we should be doing daily. I wanted to kind of guide in what are your rituals and wellness practices and knowing you, I know the answer personally to this question. Can you share a little bit about what your wellness rituals are every day so that you can navigate? Because after that I want to get into how can we navigate our stresses and our challenges and all of these things. Cause the first thing we often let go of is the things that are the best for us. And then turn to the wrong food choices and poor sleep patterns and not exercising. So, you know, first what would be your rituals and things to keep you well and then maybe we can move into how can we use those when we are challenged in life and stressed and confronted?

Blue Eagle: (34:50)
Well, uh, I'm, uh, always been practicing, uh, native spirituality. And what I like about native spirituality is it's directly connected to creation. So we see the results around us. Like when I go out in the morning to do my offerings, uh, things happen. You know, there are always are signs from nature saying that I've
been heard and that, you know, that really strikes wonder in one's heart, you know, to see these wonderful things and to feel that you're one with the world and the soul offerings outside and walking out in nature is very important to me because, um, that's the only place where everything is true. There are no lies in nature and not a tree, not anonymous. And not a squirrel is going to spread any lies to you. And the only place where we find lies are in Cuban society and out in nature.

Blue Eagle: (35:48)
Everything is true and it's all reflecting back to you, the laws of the universe. So you're walking a midst, a forest of truth, and that that's, um, harmonious for the soul, that helps the soul to, uh, feel good about himself, about the world that's around him. And it's a, well, of course it's healthy to walk. Of course, the most important exercise is walking on. Many native traditions will speak of this as one of the main it because in an indigenous society, people are always walking anyway, you know, because that's just a part of life. And, uh, it's just in our society where people actually can walk very little in a day. That's is a situation where that's never happened. And that's why I've got a lot of obese people also. So, um, uh, that's a, and then there's the practice of course, of meditation, of prayer.

Blue Eagle: (36:52)
And as I've practiced meditation all my life, there's very intricate, um, meditation practices because one of the ways of disciplining your mind is to work with, uh, different, uh, geometrical patterns and colors and, uh, uh, intentions. Uh, so that you're, um, working with the energies, uh, along your body with the energies that are making your body. And, um, and this, when you're doing elaborate practices, will, you're developing your mind, you're disciplining your mind. Uh, because we need discipline, you know, to be able to do spiritual practice needs discipline because you're always happy after you've done it. But going into it, you know, you have to make an effort, you know, so you need discipline. And so if your discipline, your mind also that's helpful on all levels, on all levels, you know, because if your mind is not disciplined, there will always be events in your life, uh, where people are not going to be exactly like you, like them.

Blue Eagle: (37:58)
Like you want them to be that they're going to anger you. And if you have no discipline, you'll react to that. And if you react to your anger and you harm somebody, or you put out waves of energy that are, um, evil or whatever, well, it's going to come back to you and you're going to have to deal with it. You know? And that's not going to be helpful for your, well, it's going to be helpful because you're going to learn that you can't do that. But it might take some time before you learn that it's actually through disciplining your mind that you're going to learn that. Cause these things will happen. You know, the, the, you can't go through life without being angry at somebody. It's the people are what the people are. There's always somebody stepping on your toes and trying to climb all over your back.

Blue Eagle: (38:40)
And, uh, you want to, you know that people are people, you know. And so you have to, uh, adapt and not go into those States that will create, you know, you'll go into those States of emotional distress, but if you've got discipline, you want to react to them, you'll channel them somewhere else. You won't go into harming somebody or doing something that will be nasty towards somebody, even if it's only a word or a look or something, you know, you got to keep it, do it, put it somewhere else, you know, because that will come back to you. And also that's not, you know, when you do that, well, you know, you produce more of that in your life because you want cause your soul. Well, that wasn't a good reaction. So let's try again. You know, I had an AGR, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.

Blue Eagle: (39:29)
And you'll always have these situations happening to you because you got to learn to discipline yourself, not react, say salt. That's it. So, um, uh, so those, uh, meditation practices are also a daily practice and offerings. And, uh, and of course, you know, you're a yoga practitioner. I spent, uh, a few sessions of a yoga when I was 22 or 23 years old and I'm in my late sixties. And those four or five exercises I still do every day. And all those, and of course, all of the ones that, uh, are part of my native practice. And we have, you know, and some that I've added because of my own, uh, physical body, there are things that I need to work on daily if I want to, uh, uh, remain healthy that are my physical makeup. So I, you know, I, I developed over the years my routine, my exercise routine that can take me anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes, uh, every day, stretching and breathing and also getting some muscle, uh, because the more you've got muscle, the more you've got brain goes together and, uh, there's, that's proven.

Blue Eagle: (40:51)
Uh, there's a very interesting stories about that. And I'm, uh, I'm working outside doing some kind of chore outside that chore related with your daily living. I find that to be very important because it, it grounds you into your life on earth. We're on earth with the physical body. It's very important that we relate to the earth, to the ground, to the land, to nature every day, be it gardening or this is in the middle of winter. I'm chopping wood every, I am, make sure that I have a fire going because that's very important for me because it, it, um, I find that that really is very grounding and that's helpful because otherwise, you know, more and more people are getting VR virtual and you know, there's people who spend most of their days on computers today and, uh, gamers for example, you know, they'll work in an office during the day and they'll come home and they'll be playing all evening and sometimes they have trouble disconnecting to go to sleep.

Blue Eagle: (42:05)
You know, um, it is a powerful addiction. And the, the, uh, the consequence of that is that you're not moving at all, neither your body, neither your soul, neither your emotions, everything is stagnant. So actually you're devolving because whatever, it doesn't move, disintegrates. And all you have is somebody who's in a coma, uh, in a few days they will lose a lot of muscle mass because nothing is moving. You know? And that's, that's true with everything. Everything that is stagnant will devolve. And, uh, people who are experts in many fields, uh, and physical health and mental health and emotional health have noticed over the past, uh, uh, decades that all of humanity is devolving. People are degenerating, there are even organs in our body that have disappeared. Wow. Yeah. Uh, that's a con. The, there's a what was, that's why we need to take a vitamin B12 today because there was a certain pouch in our colon where dirt would accumulate because we would be closer to nature. And so there's always something dirty that would be eaten or a vegetable that we take all of the garden and you know, and we just put it in our mouth and we are eating, eating a little bit of dirt. And this dirt would accumulate in this pouch at the beginning of the, uh, uh, the colon and that would produce vitamin B12. Now people are so, uh, aseptic, everything is so clean. Everything is so artificial. There's no more dirt in our diet. And this has slowly over the generations disappeared.

Blue Eagle: (44:07)
So, no, that's just one example, a bone about maybe, you know, and if you look for a, at spirituality, I've got a book here, it's called the world we used to live in. It's a book written by vine Deloria jr. He's a [inaudible] Indian. And uh, he looked through the documentation of all the, uh, uh, early settlers and, uh, people that came over here from Europe then that were seeing native people doing things that they didn't understand. They could not relate to what was happening because they were actually, uh, powerful shamans that were changing the weather that we're creating situations in TPS where you would see the sunrise and go down and you know, all kinds of things that were literally impossible for the white people to understand. Teleportation, bringing somebody back from death, uh, healing a broken bones in a few hours. Uh, you know, a whole bunch of stuff, you know, that, uh, he's got a whole book of it and nothing's similar. It's a, he compare the Nope. Incredible stuff. And you know, this was common. People had very, very powerful spiritual abilities and you don't see any of them anymore.

Laura : (45:25)
Well, technology has moved us away from that.

Blue Eagle: (45:28)
Nope. And that's the principle. I have written a book that's called the philosophy of nature. And one of the things that I express in this book is that when you're in nature, you're developing fully and that when you're, because you're calm from that your body comes from nature so that when you're in nature, for example, a very simple example is that imagine a child that's learning in indigenous society. So he's always outside and a child learning in Western society in a classroom. Well, the person that's outside has influences from the smell, from the sounds, from the animals, from the dirt, from the sky, from the sun, from the wind, from he and, and all of the complex activities that people do to survive. And the person in the classroom has nothing of that. He only has a teacher speaking in front. So the influences that he's receiving are very, very limited compared to the person who's outside. So of course that person will develop a lot more because he has so many influences impacting his consciousness at the same time that he has to integrate that everything is moving in his brain and his body, everything is alive, you know? And he has a lot more
emotional support because people are together all day in the classroom while he's gone from his parents, he doesn't see them all day. And all of the people there are strangers.

Laura : (46:54)
Yeah. And I think that's where our parents always said go outside and play. You know, now it's, it's a lot of times where it's more gaming and that, you know, technology has served us well, but it can also be very detrimental to our health if we don't balance that out with some of these practices that you're discussing and connecting with a lots of nature. So you mentioned earlier as well. So what happens, you know, for our listeners and readers who want to know, cause this is something that I hear often. I don't have time to sit down and meditate or I don't have time to exercise because we get caught up in the busy day to day life. But then you know, so those stressors start to accumulate in our body because it's a vicious cycle. If we don't sleep well, then the body craves sugars or refined carbohydrates. So then you're not eating properly and then you can't think properly. And then you get reactive when something happens in life. And then this starts to happen, right? So, you know,

Laura : (47:50)
it's so easy as human beings looking for a quick fix, what can I do to express or handle this kind of calendar? Confrontation of life. But what you're teaching here, and if I were to summarize everything, is that it is the daily practices of the exercise and the nutrition and the meditation and being connected to nature that helps us deal, right with these day to day issues and challenges that happen. We're better able to navigate the flow of life with more equanimity, ease and grace when we're well. So I think this is where these wellness practices come into play. You know, do you want to touch upon perhaps, um, how people can navigate through their calendars and confrontations and, you know, the, the uncertainty of this, of this world, you know, it's all an inside job and what we're projecting,

Blue Eagle: (48:39)
well, it's a tough one. Uh, we're, we're faced with the very destructive and violent society that's destroying nature at a very rapid pace. And there is no political or economic will to change that situation on the contrary. Um, so it's a difficult place to be and it takes a lot of courage actually because you have to take the time. You've got to make the time. You can't expect the society to adapt to your needs because it won't, what it wants are numbers that will pay taxes. That's what it wants. It wants people who buy into the consumer mindset so that it makes money. That's fundamentally the governments and the economic economic system, that's what they're looking for. So you will never be encouraged to follow your spiritual path. On the contrary. Uh, they will, uh, discourage them. They will do everything. And even your own family, you know, as soon as you start on a spiritual path, you start changing and nobody likes change.

Blue Eagle: (49:54)
So your family will try to discourage you and they will even reject you. Um, it's a common phenomenon. Everybody who's followed a spiritual path that they often get rejected by their own families because they don't want this. It disagrees with them. It makes them uncomfortable. Cause they know deep down that they should be doing that too. But they don't want to, you know, they want the easy life. There's two paths in life. There's that easy one where you accept society as it is, and you buy into that and you make money. You have lots of entertainment and lots of very refined foods and wine and a cinema and a distractions and love sex and you know, you'll go into the high life. You know, that's, that's one way. And um, that's the easy path. That's the easy road. And the other way is, well, you're trying to discipline yourself and where you have to go against the current because you're going against what modern society wants you. You're going in a way that, um, it's making life more simple so that you have more time to do spiritual practice. So it's not an easy one, you know, that's, that's just the way things are you, there is no quick fix.

Laura : (51:20)
So, you know, I know as a teacher you've traveled to many parts of the world as well and there's a lot of great documentaries on happiness and cultivating a happy community and there are some places in the world that are touted as happiest places to live. So in your experience then, what are some of the happiest communities that you've seen and how do you think, are they cultivating happy communities? I guess the main question is then if people aren't accepting this, how can we cultivate happier environments in our families or a home life, our work life and our communities and eventually because we're doing that, then that that extends out to the world around us.

Blue Eagle: (52:02)
Well, it's finding like minded people and building community with them. That's the happiest places I've seen is people who have been able to come together with like-minded people, family or not family. Uh, to build a community together where they share the resources because then life becomes a lot easier, you know, because it's a richer life because you've got more, a lot more community life, a lot more emotional life. And you also can share the resources when you're in community. So everything is cheaper, life is cheaper and you can organize together so things go more smoothly. And then you also have the um, intellectual, emotional and spiritual, uh, uh, advantages of advancement because you are with like-minded people. So they're going to be all working towards, um, the same goal. So you're going to evolve with them much faster. So that's the real key is to find like-minded people and build community. That's easier said than done.

Laura : (53:11)
Yeah. Well that makes me think of a wellness director in the demo, in your community, in Italy. And he said to me once that, um, you know yourself, you'll evolve probably to a certain point within a year, but you put yourself in a community like that full time with nickel and what you would have been by yourself on the year you go in a month in a community. Because it's confronting at the same time. It can be very helpful. But you've got also have that discipline and that spiritual will to be able to face those uncomfortable moments when you're living in close quarters with others.

Blue Eagle: (53:44)

Laura : (53:45)
Yeah. So are there any other, with this conversation on wellness and happiness and your rituals, are there any other final thoughts or wisdom nuggets that you would like to share and leave our viewers and our listeners with?

Blue Eagle: (54:00)
Well, uh, it's also very good to try to reconnect with the indigenous people that used to inhabit the land where you are because there are the people that have the most knowledge about nature and we really have to reconnect to nature today. We have to preserve nature as much as possible in [inaudible]. There's a balance in life. And, um, if a mankind is, has gone too far, uh, well, the balance will be brought back by the elements. You know, the earth will heal itself and uh, mankind won't be a part of the equation for a while. That's a lot of, at least technical, technical, you know, technological mankind will disappear because they just, they're just harmful. It's just harmful. The thing about technology is that it's dead. A car is dead. It doesn't reproduce. It always will either grow old and, uh, and die in, or it will need fixing.

Blue Eagle: (55:12)
It will lead reparation. You'll have to repair it. And at some point it just won't work anymore. It just finished. But if you get a horse, well, it'll heal itself and it'll reproduce and it'll make more. It's turtle, you know, it'll always be there, you know, and it won't produce pollution, you know, the directions will actually, you put them in the garden, you know, and, uh, it's a lot more comfortable because if you got a wagon with a horse on it, you know, you can even fall asleep and he knows where he's going, he'll bring you home, you know, and everything is a relaxed with that, you know, because it's alive. The true tech, the true technologies have to be alive. Even a person who makes a, uh, canoe, uh, with natural object, he puts his spirit into that. So the canoe becomes a living technology and that's the real difference between our technologies today that are dead.

Blue Eagle: (56:11)
And so they're promoting death. If you look at and science that's promoting death, no science that invents the nuclear bomb and nuclear energy and uh, electromagnetic pollution, a and medication that's uh, chemicals, you know, uh, which always produce secondary effects in your body, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. As far as, you know, this is something that I discovered when I did the philosophy of nature, that everything that's technological is actually based on death and that we need to go back to the living living technologies and uh, this is going to take generations. It's going to take a long time, but the moment you really understand this and that you start simplifying your life, this is, you try not to rely too much and try to have some activities that are like gardening where you can produce your own food or even making sprouts in the house. You know, right here in our house, in the wintertime, we produce about 40% of our food, right? The kitchen with sprouts and the, you know, all kinds of, all kinds of sprouts that we'd make juice with and then a salad. And so it's really, um, these kind of activities that, uh, will in the long run, uh, produce joy in your heart because you're going to be reconnecting with what's real and what's alive,

Laura : (57:38)
right? Yeah. I guess scientists, some scientists may disagree thinking that all of this is helping us evolve
in some way. Yet it's taking us to the other extreme where it's damaging to our health. And, um, I think the teachings that you've gathered over your lifetime and what you're helping us see is that we all have rules as creators and protectors of this earth, our mother earth, where we live. Like we need to take care of our mother, that she's the one that's sustaining us right now.

Blue Eagle: (58:06)
[inaudible] and we are actually co-creators of paradise because if nature is always beautiful because there's order, there's harmony, it's created with everything that is true and alive. So it's, that's why it's always beautiful. There's order in there, there's harmony because it comes from one simple source, one light. And that is organized. That's true. That's real. That's creator. And, and uh, we can go into that and make it even better. That's what we, that's what's called paradise is when man takes an environment and puts his hand in it and makes it, adapts it to who he is. And the ones that have really succeeded in doing this don't need to work anymore because everything grows within their grasp. They don't, you know, that everything in nature will nourish them. The animals will be wild. Animals will be doing the work for them. You know, everything that's living in paradise, that's where we were created for at the origin.

Blue Eagle: (59:06)
You know? But there's many things that happened in our history and we have to understand that civilization is a very recent phenomenon. It's only been here for 12,000 years and we've been here for millions of years. You know, just our native American tradition goes back 127,500 years, which is a lot longer than 12,000 which is civilization. And in civilizations you've had 24 different civilizations that all fell one after the other because it's not what's the typical of a civilization? It wants to control. It wants to dominate nature or dominate other people. They always have armies. They always have hierarchy. And the people that are gathering taxes from the people, you know, there's, there's always this kind of hierarchy where people are being dominated by uh, an elite. And that's, that's civilization. And that's not natural. You know, everything in the universe is interdependent. Everybody should have an equal, say, an equal place.

Blue Eagle: (01:00:09)
And there can be leaders, but they have to be people that are choosing to put their lives to service to the people and doing what this people need rather than telling the people what they need to do. It's different aspect completely. So there's, there's a lot of work to be done, but as soon as we give our lives over to truth that we decide that, okay, I understand that things are as they are. And even if I'm going against the current, I want to work towards truth towards life, towards the planet, towards making this place a paradise. As soon as we decide to do that, well we let we, we allow joy, peace and love to be our centerfold in order to be our, our being th th we give room for ourselves to exist. Our true selves.

Laura : (01:01:02)
I think it's coming back to what you said right back in the beginning. If we were to conclude here and bring everything full circle, we've lost the wonder of life to be able to look outside and appreciate a sunrise or a sunset or the landscape or a tree or, and just to become one with that nature. Because when we do get still, there's just this beautiful stillness beyond everything else that's going on external. We can tap into that anytime and it's, it's learning to do that. And I know that your teachings and I'd med, let's lead a chair a little bit. You know, you've got your books and DVDs and through your music and your consultations and, um, a lot of the resources you have on your website are teaching people how to come back to that original vibration of our origins. Um, do you want to talk a little bit about how, if people want to know more about you and perhaps your blog too, I know that that's full of resources. Just tell them where they can get in touch with you if you need more info. Well,

Blue Eagle: (01:01:53)
normally on Google, if you put in blue Eagle blog, you'll find it. It's and a, I would like to mention, uh, the invocation perfumes Uh, these are shamanic perfumes that I created to, um, well actually the first one that brought me onto this path was, uh, I needed to create a way to purify the environment, to replace smudging. You know when we burn a Sage and Cedar and a shell and sweet grass in his shell to purify the people in the place where before we do healings, when I was called to hospitals and [inaudible] intensive care to treat native people that were coming down from Schaeffer Ville from the high North, I couldn't do that. You know, there was oxygen, there was a personnel closed windows, impossible to burn. Herb's in that environment and the electromagnetic pollution was worse than anywhere else and I didn't have my purification.

Blue Eagle: (01:02:49)
So this made me want to find a way to do that. And I thought of essential oils and I saw that some of my [inaudible] of our Herb's didn't do any essential oils. So I did extract with alcohol with them together, realize it was approved fume. It smelled awful. I went to see a perfumer in France. He told me how to do it. I came back, I worked two years and when I finished my work, this was better than, than smudging. This was 10 times better than smudging. I said, wow, I've got to put this. I got to put this on the market. And in the process of doing all that, I noticed that, uh, there weren't any natural perfumes and that, um, um, synthetic perfumes that contained a lot of chemicals are actually very detrimental to your health. And a lot of people were becoming hypersensitive because of that. And so I said, well, we should do some more. And then I created the second one was called [inaudible]. First one is called [inaudible] and it's an energy purifier and it helps you to sleep also. It's a very relaxing smell and it's looked for a healthy ambulance. It will clear this, the air around you.

Laura : (01:04:03)
I use it daily

Blue Eagle: (01:04:05)
and the memoir, then I created, uh, that does the contrary. It attracts beneficial energies and favorable circumstances and it's more of a perfume to you really wear it like a perfume. And then I did the five elements because we also have a five elements theory and native tradition. And then I created grace, which is really a work of art. It's a, it's like memoir in its energy, like attracts beneficial energies, unfavorable circumstances, but it's really like a very fine, great perfume. It's very expensive too because there's a lot, there's over 40 products in that perfume. And so I'm moving towards these, uh, because uh, I also came to realize that making perfume is, is art, you know, because you're, it's like a piece of music. You know, you've got the beginning notes and then the heart notes and then the end notes. And that's why it lasts a long time, you know? And that's why you need a lot of products to make a finished a finished product and a, it's, so I'm working on one that's going to be called totems right now.

Laura : (01:05:11)
Oh wow. I'm looking forward to seeing that. Great. So they find you on your blog. Can you say your website again?

Blue Eagle: (01:05:20)
At, and then we also have the, for the traditional smudging and a handicraft and other products that we've got at

Laura : (01:05:37)
So everything for products that are natural products that are for wellbeing.

Blue Eagle: (01:05:41)
Yeah, we've made some soap and we've got some smudging and some, uh, some, some, some drums and things like,

Laura : (01:05:49)
yeah. Yeah. Your TM also in the form of Beth salts. I really enjoy relaxing Beth

Laura : (01:05:55)
Yeah. Good. Well, thank you so much for sharing all of your deep insights and your wisdom here with us today. And I'm sure that we'll have many other conversations to follow. And to our listeners, there was so much a wealth of information here. Perhaps reflect back and think of one nugget or one healthy, happier habit that you can integrate into your lifestyle that can bring you back into the source of your own true nature. So I'd like to sign off now and say thank you. And on behalf of blue Eagle and myself, Laura Warf from the school of happiness, we are signing off. And until next time, thank you very much.

About the Author

Laura Warf is the founder of the School of Happiness holistic wellness center whose methods are based on tools from ancient teachings to today’s current research to inspire others to take charge of their complete well-being by following her 8 essential elements to health and happiness. She is a healthy living advocate, passionate wellness educator and mind-body specialist offering services in corporate wellness, yoga, meditation, energetic balancing, and fitness conditioning. Laura is also co-founder of the Mend My Back at
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